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		<title>By: Matthias Steingass</title>
		<link>http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/06/08/are-buddhists-stupid/#comment-10462</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthias Steingass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting little text relevant to this thread: &lt;a href=&quot;http://themyriadthings.com/2012/10/boredom-flow-and-the-eggs-of-experience/?subscribe=success#subscribe-blog&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Boredom, Flow and the Eggs of Experience&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;Benjamin makes the wonderful claim that boredom is the ‘dream bird that hatches the egg of experience.’&quot;

And don&#039;t forget Adam&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/07/28/sitting-full-of-shit/&quot; title=&quot;Sitting, Full of Shit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sitting, Full of Shit&lt;/a&gt;

The question remains: Is there something about meditation beyond the polarity of infantile magic and stupid pathologization? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting little text relevant to this thread: <a href="http://themyriadthings.com/2012/10/boredom-flow-and-the-eggs-of-experience/?subscribe=success#subscribe-blog" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Boredom, Flow and the Eggs of Experience</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Benjamin makes the wonderful claim that boredom is the ‘dream bird that hatches the egg of experience.’&#8221;</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget Adam&#8217;s <a href="http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/07/28/sitting-full-of-shit/" title="Sitting, Full of Shit" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sitting, Full of Shit</a></p>
<p>The question remains: Is there something about meditation beyond the polarity of infantile magic and stupid pathologization? </p>
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		<title>By: Shadow</title>
		<link>http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/06/08/are-buddhists-stupid/#comment-9402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shadow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Buddhism sucks. The end. Stop trying to ressurect the dead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddhism sucks. The end. Stop trying to ressurect the dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Mat Witts (@mat_witts)</title>
		<link>http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/06/08/are-buddhists-stupid/#comment-8244</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mat Witts (@mat_witts)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#100 Matthias &lt;blockquote&gt;Thanks. But I am not interested.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In my opinion this stands out as the single most insightful and most relevant contribution to this thread, and perhaps anywhere on the site - brilliant !

&lt;blockquote&gt;...what makes the Laruellean heresy interesting is the way it provides a philosophically disinterested – which is to say non-normative – definition of the essence of philosophy. (Brassier)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

with best wishes to you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#100 Matthias<br />
<blockquote>Thanks. But I am not interested.</p></blockquote>
<p>In my opinion this stands out as the single most insightful and most relevant contribution to this thread, and perhaps anywhere on the site &#8211; brilliant !</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;what makes the Laruellean heresy interesting is the way it provides a philosophically disinterested – which is to say non-normative – definition of the essence of philosophy. (Brassier)</p></blockquote>
<p>with best wishes to you</p>
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		<title>By: Tomek</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;You seem overly concerned with the persistence of misunderstanding, but you never say anything to demonstrate that the concepts themselves are inherently in “collusion with the capitalist status quo.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Tom&lt;/strong&gt; (# 98), what I am actually concerned with is your tacit persistence in upholding the very possibility of a separation between the context, in this case the transcendental Dharma, and “the concepts themselves” such as &lt;em&gt;anatman&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;pratityasamutpada&lt;/em&gt;. I claim that this kind of decontextualization creates just a kind of mirage that conceals the virulent tendency of the protean Dharma to weave its own insights into the countless contemporary ideas and realities and replicate endlessly. This is the very root of the collusion that I&#039;ve been trying to demonstrate, namely, the modern decontextualization of the x-buddhistic syntax occurring without acknowledgment of the fact that the sheer usage of those selected &lt;em&gt;buddhemes&lt;/em&gt; is nothing else than the intermixing of the x-buddhistic potion of hope into the various contemporary discourses, of which Capital is the most powerful and eagerly willing  to  cash The Dharma 2.0 in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You seem overly concerned with the persistence of misunderstanding, but you never say anything to demonstrate that the concepts themselves are inherently in “collusion with the capitalist status quo.”</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Tom</strong> (# 98), what I am actually concerned with is your tacit persistence in upholding the very possibility of a separation between the context, in this case the transcendental Dharma, and “the concepts themselves” such as <em>anatman</em> or <em>pratityasamutpada</em>. I claim that this kind of decontextualization creates just a kind of mirage that conceals the virulent tendency of the protean Dharma to weave its own insights into the countless contemporary ideas and realities and replicate endlessly. This is the very root of the collusion that I&#8217;ve been trying to demonstrate, namely, the modern decontextualization of the x-buddhistic syntax occurring without acknowledgment of the fact that the sheer usage of those selected <em>buddhemes</em> is nothing else than the intermixing of the x-buddhistic potion of hope into the various contemporary discourses, of which Capital is the most powerful and eagerly willing  to  cash The Dharma 2.0 in.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthias Steingass</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthias Steingass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mat:



&lt;blockquote&gt;I will stick around here for a few days longer – not only to provide Matthias with an easier target.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Thanks. But I am not interested.

Bye.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mat:</p>
<blockquote><p>I will stick around here for a few days longer – not only to provide Matthias with an easier target.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks. But I am not interested.</p>
<p>Bye.</p>
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		<title>By: Mat Witts (@mat_witts)</title>
		<link>http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/06/08/are-buddhists-stupid/#comment-8138</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mat Witts (@mat_witts)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 23:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glenn, #96 - Thanks for taking an interest in what I have written in the past but the text you Cherry Picked has been adapted from the original which was by Peter Yates for a specific purpose which was related to my profession and not to convey my personal beliefs. Firstly simply substituting &#039;Buddhism&#039; for &#039;Reason&#039; in Sufficiency of Buddhism does not a philosophy make. You need to do a lot more work to convince me, and most Buddhists I would think, if indeed you do actually see this as an organ or persuasion, you may see it entirely differently. for the third and perhaps the final time I am in agreement with some areas of your conclusions, but the difference is that I am very sceptical of drawing conclusions at all, about anything. Now about your craving concreteness - I think my suggestion of reviewing the topic / comment template is kinda real world stuff, but very specifically, about yours and Matthias&#039; demands for substantive argument, this is especially self defeating for a project that is supposed to be neither about forms of thinking (dogma) nor substantive content (particular beliefs) but rather the HOW of how and the HOW of what we think, and in this regard it fails too. This movement exists only in the brains of I think about two bloggers who want to promote an agenda which borrows far too much from other philosophies to be worthy of much serious consideration. This blog is a particularly inappropriate medium for serious philosophical debate because of its inherent limitations in terms of its design and also its lack of organisation. I do not believe it is acceptable to expect me to continue to participate in this type of online forum Over the medium or long term unless significant changes are made. until then it will seek to exploit the easily led and only expose the wilful naivety of easily impressed and intellectually challenged individuals who are all too probably in need of respite from x-buddhism and not more contrarian ideology - however appealing it (s n-b) might be and however disgusting the alternatives might be (eg. Presumably some form of nihilism). The most basic task to my mind would be to intervene in such stupidity, not encourage it so I see no point in contributing much more since here especially since the only achievement thus far seems to be the development of an extended array of confusion and once again, I am surprised that I have to reiterate how Matthias has provided many concrete examples of prejudice and bigotry here, and many more examples are scattered throughout other posts and comments that I am surprised that someone with your analytical sensitivities don&#039;t spot them, although it is understandable simply because of the level of confusion which is also apparent throughout. I will stick around here for a few days longer - not only to provide Matthias with an easier target than I would usually like to provide for his obvious need for amusement but also to demonstrate my willingness to bring this conversation to its natural completion. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn, #96 &#8211; Thanks for taking an interest in what I have written in the past but the text you Cherry Picked has been adapted from the original which was by Peter Yates for a specific purpose which was related to my profession and not to convey my personal beliefs. Firstly simply substituting &#8216;Buddhism&#8217; for &#8216;Reason&#8217; in Sufficiency of Buddhism does not a philosophy make. You need to do a lot more work to convince me, and most Buddhists I would think, if indeed you do actually see this as an organ or persuasion, you may see it entirely differently. for the third and perhaps the final time I am in agreement with some areas of your conclusions, but the difference is that I am very sceptical of drawing conclusions at all, about anything. Now about your craving concreteness &#8211; I think my suggestion of reviewing the topic / comment template is kinda real world stuff, but very specifically, about yours and Matthias&#8217; demands for substantive argument, this is especially self defeating for a project that is supposed to be neither about forms of thinking (dogma) nor substantive content (particular beliefs) but rather the HOW of how and the HOW of what we think, and in this regard it fails too. This movement exists only in the brains of I think about two bloggers who want to promote an agenda which borrows far too much from other philosophies to be worthy of much serious consideration. This blog is a particularly inappropriate medium for serious philosophical debate because of its inherent limitations in terms of its design and also its lack of organisation. I do not believe it is acceptable to expect me to continue to participate in this type of online forum Over the medium or long term unless significant changes are made. until then it will seek to exploit the easily led and only expose the wilful naivety of easily impressed and intellectually challenged individuals who are all too probably in need of respite from x-buddhism and not more contrarian ideology &#8211; however appealing it (s n-b) might be and however disgusting the alternatives might be (eg. Presumably some form of nihilism). The most basic task to my mind would be to intervene in such stupidity, not encourage it so I see no point in contributing much more since here especially since the only achievement thus far seems to be the development of an extended array of confusion and once again, I am surprised that I have to reiterate how Matthias has provided many concrete examples of prejudice and bigotry here, and many more examples are scattered throughout other posts and comments that I am surprised that someone with your analytical sensitivities don&#8217;t spot them, although it is understandable simply because of the level of confusion which is also apparent throughout. I will stick around here for a few days longer &#8211; not only to provide Matthias with an easier target than I would usually like to provide for his obvious need for amusement but also to demonstrate my willingness to bring this conversation to its natural completion. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Pepper</title>
		<link>http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/06/08/are-buddhists-stupid/#comment-8136</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Pepper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 21:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really can&#039;t completely understand your objections (still).  I agree that &quot;Nagarjuna&quot; refers to a set of texts, but that doesn&#039;t undermine the fact that those texts say something and we can understand what they say.  

The idea that these &quot;concepts/ budhemes&quot; must never be used again because some idiots will insist on misunderstanding them in absurd ways is not convincing to &lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt;!  They are, I believe, true and useful concepts, and I will continue to use them.  I&#039;ve explained elsewhere what I take emptiness to mean, and why I do not think it is merely a rhetorical gesture meant to &quot;replicate the sufficiency of The Dharma endlessly.&quot;  You seem overly concerned with the persistence of misunderstanding, but you never say anything to demonstrate that the concepts themselves are inherently in &quot;collusion with the capitalist status quo.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really can&#8217;t completely understand your objections (still).  I agree that &#8220;Nagarjuna&#8221; refers to a set of texts, but that doesn&#8217;t undermine the fact that those texts say something and we can understand what they say.  </p>
<p>The idea that these &#8220;concepts/ budhemes&#8221; must never be used again because some idiots will insist on misunderstanding them in absurd ways is not convincing to <em>me</em>!  They are, I believe, true and useful concepts, and I will continue to use them.  I&#8217;ve explained elsewhere what I take emptiness to mean, and why I do not think it is merely a rhetorical gesture meant to &#8220;replicate the sufficiency of The Dharma endlessly.&#8221;  You seem overly concerned with the persistence of misunderstanding, but you never say anything to demonstrate that the concepts themselves are inherently in &#8220;collusion with the capitalist status quo.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tomek</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tomek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 21:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Tom&lt;/strong&gt; (# 94), you come back to the Nagarjuna again. But as you may remember some time ago we agreed together with regard to one thing: “Nagarjuna” is most likely just a set of texts that arose in a particular historical context and which had been totally dependent on the buddhistic Dharma – transcendental operator as Glenn calls it. So I find your “Nagarjuna” example not really convincing as an answer to my question. Even if the Mahayanist rhetoric switches its main focus from explicitly transcendental goal of &lt;em&gt;nirvana&lt;/em&gt; as presented in the Pali texts to the goal of seeing into the true nature of dependent origination, so called &lt;em&gt;emptiness&lt;/em&gt; of all phenomena, that does not make any difference from the point of emotional/cognitive &lt;em&gt;decision&lt;/em&gt; argument developed here around the SNB project. This rhetorical move was totally limited to &lt;em&gt;The Dharma&lt;/em&gt; world and had not much to do with contemporary canons of knowledge, social, cognitive, whatever – it&#039;s main goal was to replicate the sufficiency of &lt;em&gt;The Dharma&lt;/em&gt; endlessly until the time of the cosmic Virocana, not the &lt;em&gt;empty reality&lt;/em&gt; of science. 

So, no matter how creatively you employ the concepts/&lt;em&gt;buddhemes&lt;/em&gt; such as &lt;em&gt;anatman&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;pratityasamutpada&lt;/em&gt; they will always stay closely linked to the broad dharmic context and will continue to &lt;em&gt;spontaneously&lt;/em&gt; recreate the fantasy of x-buddhistic transcendence. And in current era that will probably mean the passive collusion with the capitalist status quo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Tom</strong> (# 94), you come back to the Nagarjuna again. But as you may remember some time ago we agreed together with regard to one thing: “Nagarjuna” is most likely just a set of texts that arose in a particular historical context and which had been totally dependent on the buddhistic Dharma – transcendental operator as Glenn calls it. So I find your “Nagarjuna” example not really convincing as an answer to my question. Even if the Mahayanist rhetoric switches its main focus from explicitly transcendental goal of <em>nirvana</em> as presented in the Pali texts to the goal of seeing into the true nature of dependent origination, so called <em>emptiness</em> of all phenomena, that does not make any difference from the point of emotional/cognitive <em>decision</em> argument developed here around the SNB project. This rhetorical move was totally limited to <em>The Dharma</em> world and had not much to do with contemporary canons of knowledge, social, cognitive, whatever – it&#8217;s main goal was to replicate the sufficiency of <em>The Dharma</em> endlessly until the time of the cosmic Virocana, not the <em>empty reality</em> of science. </p>
<p>So, no matter how creatively you employ the concepts/<em>buddhemes</em> such as <em>anatman</em> or <em>pratityasamutpada</em> they will always stay closely linked to the broad dharmic context and will continue to <em>spontaneously</em> recreate the fantasy of x-buddhistic transcendence. And in current era that will probably mean the passive collusion with the capitalist status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Wallis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn Wallis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Mat&lt;/strong&gt; (#95).

I thought &quot;I am reluctant to divulge anymore here&quot; implied that there is something more to be divulged. Is there? 

&lt;blockquote&gt;in truth some of the distinctions you want to make are so abstract and so wrong&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Giving an example would allow a fruitful exchange. So far your criticisms amount to unsubstantiated claims of prejudice and bigotry and bad blog layout. What about a &lt;strong&gt;concrete&lt;/strong&gt; example of what you think is so wrong here so that we can actually talk about something? I think the critical tools being developed here, as well as some of the first attempts at applying them are holding up pretty well so far. 

One of the critical tools, for example, is called the Principle of Sufficient Buddhism. It is used to get at the fact that, contrary to its self-presentation as a form of knowledge-acquisition, x-buddhism relies on dogma, a dogma, moreover, grounded in a veiled yet all-encompassing transcendental operator--the Dharma. When I read on your website the following, I see something like this principle at work--let&#039;s call it the Principle of Sufficient Yoga.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You might also have come across it in passing in academic study at higher education levels, as part of a subject such as complimentary medicine, psychology, philosophy or religious studies.

Others think yoga is a complimentary therapy, with professional standards whilst many Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs and other contemplative traditions have an interest as an integral part of their cultural and religious heritage – and finally some folk even take part in Olympic-style competitions for postures!

However, the truth is that yoga contains all – but is not any one of these....

On this basis, there can be no ultimate, authoritative body in yoga at all: yoga is simply too vast and any attempt to regulate it will inevitably deform it.

Still less should any such body be afforded special treatment by any Higher Education, Health, Sport or Fitness authority – all of which are scarcely relevant to yoga. (&lt;a href=&quot;http://matwitts.com/blog/an-eternal-recurrence-yoga/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a perfect expression of sufficiency. Your website is pervaded by the forms and practices that this site is aiming to critique. Our time would be more fruitfully spent discussing the &lt;em&gt;concrete&lt;/em&gt; details of your yogic/dharmic beliefs and practices in relation to our critique.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mat</strong> (#95).</p>
<p>I thought &#8220;I am reluctant to divulge anymore here&#8221; implied that there is something more to be divulged. Is there? </p>
<blockquote><p>in truth some of the distinctions you want to make are so abstract and so wrong</p></blockquote>
<p>Giving an example would allow a fruitful exchange. So far your criticisms amount to unsubstantiated claims of prejudice and bigotry and bad blog layout. What about a <strong>concrete</strong> example of what you think is so wrong here so that we can actually talk about something? I think the critical tools being developed here, as well as some of the first attempts at applying them are holding up pretty well so far. </p>
<p>One of the critical tools, for example, is called the Principle of Sufficient Buddhism. It is used to get at the fact that, contrary to its self-presentation as a form of knowledge-acquisition, x-buddhism relies on dogma, a dogma, moreover, grounded in a veiled yet all-encompassing transcendental operator&#8211;the Dharma. When I read on your website the following, I see something like this principle at work&#8211;let&#8217;s call it the Principle of Sufficient Yoga.</p>
<blockquote><p>You might also have come across it in passing in academic study at higher education levels, as part of a subject such as complimentary medicine, psychology, philosophy or religious studies.</p>
<p>Others think yoga is a complimentary therapy, with professional standards whilst many Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs and other contemplative traditions have an interest as an integral part of their cultural and religious heritage – and finally some folk even take part in Olympic-style competitions for postures!</p>
<p>However, the truth is that yoga contains all – but is not any one of these&#8230;.</p>
<p>On this basis, there can be no ultimate, authoritative body in yoga at all: yoga is simply too vast and any attempt to regulate it will inevitably deform it.</p>
<p>Still less should any such body be afforded special treatment by any Higher Education, Health, Sport or Fitness authority – all of which are scarcely relevant to yoga. (<a href="http://matwitts.com/blog/an-eternal-recurrence-yoga/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a perfect expression of sufficiency. Your website is pervaded by the forms and practices that this site is aiming to critique. Our time would be more fruitfully spent discussing the <em>concrete</em> details of your yogic/dharmic beliefs and practices in relation to our critique.</p>
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		<title>By: Mat Witts (@mat_witts)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mat Witts (@mat_witts)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Er Glen, if you check I didn&#039;t actually say I had a commitment to yogic Dharma, I think you did I that all by yourself, you invented the term, I said that I didn&#039;t really want to talk about it, (which does not imply it exists since I do not want to talk about pink unicorns either) and you misinterpreted that through a habituated enframing in terms of your own theory which led to an assumption that it existed. This of course is the weakness of s n-b also, amongst many others. I can appreciate why you might want to continue to divert attention away from my criticisms of the sn-b proposition but I would only consent to providing more information about what and how I believe as part of a wider research project about individual Buddhist faith, but then I think by that stage the s n-b movement will have been discredited before the results were in, in truth some of the distinctions you want to make are so abstract and so wrong that it can only add to the white noise about x-Buddhism and will do nothing to amplify the signal of unaffected cognitive disinterest you crave. I think we&#039;re done here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er Glen, if you check I didn&#8217;t actually say I had a commitment to yogic Dharma, I think you did I that all by yourself, you invented the term, I said that I didn&#8217;t really want to talk about it, (which does not imply it exists since I do not want to talk about pink unicorns either) and you misinterpreted that through a habituated enframing in terms of your own theory which led to an assumption that it existed. This of course is the weakness of s n-b also, amongst many others. I can appreciate why you might want to continue to divert attention away from my criticisms of the sn-b proposition but I would only consent to providing more information about what and how I believe as part of a wider research project about individual Buddhist faith, but then I think by that stage the s n-b movement will have been discredited before the results were in, in truth some of the distinctions you want to make are so abstract and so wrong that it can only add to the white noise about x-Buddhism and will do nothing to amplify the signal of unaffected cognitive disinterest you crave. I think we&#8217;re done here?</p>
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