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		<title>By: sometimes</title>
		<link>http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/08/13/changes/#comment-8936</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sometimes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m Baaaack!  Actually have been back...but been doing a fair amount of lurking.

I like the idea of some discussion about things like addiction, sex, etc...  Let&#039;s address some of the everyday issues that people are bumping up against...but that go largely unmentioned (or only vaguely mentioned) in Buddhist dialogue.

Also, I like the idea of creative content.  I do NOT tend to write in an academic essayist style, but find that perhaps I could contribute more in a creative/disturbing fashion.  I like to think that is how I communicate best, or at least when I am closest to what I actually want to be expressing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Baaaack!  Actually have been back&#8230;but been doing a fair amount of lurking.</p>
<p>I like the idea of some discussion about things like addiction, sex, etc&#8230;  Let&#8217;s address some of the everyday issues that people are bumping up against&#8230;but that go largely unmentioned (or only vaguely mentioned) in Buddhist dialogue.</p>
<p>Also, I like the idea of creative content.  I do NOT tend to write in an academic essayist style, but find that perhaps I could contribute more in a creative/disturbing fashion.  I like to think that is how I communicate best, or at least when I am closest to what I actually want to be expressing.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/08/13/changes/#comment-8800</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saibhu,

Thanks. I looked at yours and Matthias&#039; site. Very nice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saibhu,</p>
<p>Thanks. I looked at yours and Matthias&#8217; site. Very nice.</p>
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		<title>By: saibhu</title>
		<link>http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/08/13/changes/#comment-8746</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Danny (11) and Frank (14),

if you&#039;re eager to do the work yourself you could simply start a meta-blog collecting interesting ideas/books.

Matthias and I have started such a blog (in german) recently (see Kritikos und Bodhi in the blogroll). Writing a short summary and linking to the original source doesn&#039;t take much effort and maybe it is even an advantage to have it on a separate place and not overloading the blog here.

If you do this, please leave a note. Maybe I can contribute a little comments-thread summary now and then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny (11) and Frank (14),</p>
<p>if you&#8217;re eager to do the work yourself you could simply start a meta-blog collecting interesting ideas/books.</p>
<p>Matthias and I have started such a blog (in german) recently (see Kritikos und Bodhi in the blogroll). Writing a short summary and linking to the original source doesn&#8217;t take much effort and maybe it is even an advantage to have it on a separate place and not overloading the blog here.</p>
<p>If you do this, please leave a note. Maybe I can contribute a little comments-thread summary now and then.</p>
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		<title>By: frank jude</title>
		<link>http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/08/13/changes/#comment-8736</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: 11

Yes! I would very much appreciate a &quot;book page&quot; as well as some kind of list of books that have informed your thinking (Matthias Steingass, Tom Pepper, Glenn Wallis).  I&#039;ve culled several books, writers, philosophers from your various comments, but it would be great to see them in some ordered way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: 11</p>
<p>Yes! I would very much appreciate a &#8220;book page&#8221; as well as some kind of list of books that have informed your thinking (Matthias Steingass, Tom Pepper, Glenn Wallis).  I&#8217;ve culled several books, writers, philosophers from your various comments, but it would be great to see them in some ordered way.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi Craig (# 12)

Well, there might be. I meant anything that could relate to the project here. Tom Pepper is clearly a big reader and mentions books from time to time, for example, a very good little book the other day on the failure of capitalism that I otherwise would have never found.

All I have right now. Just a simple idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Craig (# 12)</p>
<p>Well, there might be. I meant anything that could relate to the project here. Tom Pepper is clearly a big reader and mentions books from time to time, for example, a very good little book the other day on the failure of capitalism that I otherwise would have never found.</p>
<p>All I have right now. Just a simple idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/08/13/changes/#comment-8726</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are there ANY x-buddhist books worth reading?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there ANY x-buddhist books worth reading?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about a Book page for sharing what we&#039;re reading? A full review, or a just few lines about why we might recommend it or not.  I know that I have picked up on several good reads from all of you by following along here...

Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about a Book page for sharing what we&#8217;re reading? A full review, or a just few lines about why we might recommend it or not.  I know that I have picked up on several good reads from all of you by following along here&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#8:

good points about the message forum.  i can see how this blog comment form of communication in some way moderates itself.  message board do tend to be a mess with trolls act.  maybe dedicated threads where it would be easier to keep track of specific comment discussions.  for me it&#039; just a matter of of going up and down on a GIANT comment page year.  by the time i get to the bottom to write my comment, i forget what i wanted to write:)  shorter pieces is a great idea with dedicated comments.  again, just brainstorming.  thanks for your insight,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8:</p>
<p>good points about the message forum.  i can see how this blog comment form of communication in some way moderates itself.  message board do tend to be a mess with trolls act.  maybe dedicated threads where it would be easier to keep track of specific comment discussions.  for me it&#8217; just a matter of of going up and down on a GIANT comment page year.  by the time i get to the bottom to write my comment, i forget what i wanted to write:)  shorter pieces is a great idea with dedicated comments.  again, just brainstorming.  thanks for your insight,</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Pepper</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Pepper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #7:  Of course that&#039;s the real reason!  Snarky comments are fun, of course, but it is also important to point out the errors, absurdly false claims, and the ideological implications of the various x-buddhisms.  Such things are not allowed on their own sites, or in any other existing venue.  It would draw the claim of &quot;wrong speech&quot; or &quot;clinging to views,&quot; and get one censored.  But there has been, on rare occasion, in both Buddhist and Western thought, a belief that pointing out the truth cannot be wrong speech, and recognizing what we are really doing even when that differs from what we tell ourselves we are doing is important, even if sometimes unpleasant.  I&#039;m all for being snarky, but it is snarkiness with a purpose.  

I recently tried (albeit quite clumsily) to point out, in a discussion of using Buddhism to recover from addiction, that what was being described as a new Buddhist approach was just the same old psychological approach that has patently failed to solve the addiction problem for decades now.  I was asked to stop interfering with the discussion, and the glowing comments about how this wonderful insight has finally completely cured participants in just one week after years of relapse continue.  This kind of stuff is worse than a waste of time, its actually dangerous, and there&#039;s no way other way to be critical of it.  

As for the topic of sex, that is interesting.  I never noticed before that this has never really been addressed here.  I guess I don&#039;t think much about this issue.  Unlike all those leaders of x-buddhist groups who are so much farther along the path, I&#039;ve never cheated on my wife or had an inappropriate relationship with a student.  It would be an interesting topic to address though--I&#039;ve read articles claiming that Buddhist practice will improve one&#039;s sex life, a claim absolutely not found in the Pali canon, I&#039;m sure.  

Re #6: Alan, I think that such &quot;creative critique&quot; would be great.  I tend to write in an academic, essayistic style, but it would be great to have some creative writing that is disturbing, in the best sense of that term, and provokes thought.  Most so-called &quot;Buddhist poetry&quot; is meant to call a stop to thought with a complacent assurance that thinking is bad, and we should mindlessly enjoy the cloud, flower, tea, whatever.  Let&#039;s have some real poetry!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #7:  Of course that&#8217;s the real reason!  Snarky comments are fun, of course, but it is also important to point out the errors, absurdly false claims, and the ideological implications of the various x-buddhisms.  Such things are not allowed on their own sites, or in any other existing venue.  It would draw the claim of &#8220;wrong speech&#8221; or &#8220;clinging to views,&#8221; and get one censored.  But there has been, on rare occasion, in both Buddhist and Western thought, a belief that pointing out the truth cannot be wrong speech, and recognizing what we are really doing even when that differs from what we tell ourselves we are doing is important, even if sometimes unpleasant.  I&#8217;m all for being snarky, but it is snarkiness with a purpose.  </p>
<p>I recently tried (albeit quite clumsily) to point out, in a discussion of using Buddhism to recover from addiction, that what was being described as a new Buddhist approach was just the same old psychological approach that has patently failed to solve the addiction problem for decades now.  I was asked to stop interfering with the discussion, and the glowing comments about how this wonderful insight has finally completely cured participants in just one week after years of relapse continue.  This kind of stuff is worse than a waste of time, its actually dangerous, and there&#8217;s no way other way to be critical of it.  </p>
<p>As for the topic of sex, that is interesting.  I never noticed before that this has never really been addressed here.  I guess I don&#8217;t think much about this issue.  Unlike all those leaders of x-buddhist groups who are so much farther along the path, I&#8217;ve never cheated on my wife or had an inappropriate relationship with a student.  It would be an interesting topic to address though&#8211;I&#8217;ve read articles claiming that Buddhist practice will improve one&#8217;s sex life, a claim absolutely not found in the Pali canon, I&#8217;m sure.  </p>
<p>Re #6: Alan, I think that such &#8220;creative critique&#8221; would be great.  I tend to write in an academic, essayistic style, but it would be great to have some creative writing that is disturbing, in the best sense of that term, and provokes thought.  Most so-called &#8220;Buddhist poetry&#8221; is meant to call a stop to thought with a complacent assurance that thinking is bad, and we should mindlessly enjoy the cloud, flower, tea, whatever.  Let&#8217;s have some real poetry!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthias Steingass</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Craig&lt;/strong&gt;, #1, message forums.

You mean the form of forum where everybody can open a thread? Or is it more about more theme-oriented threads about, for example, praxis/meditation/non-mediation, dissonances which arise from contradictions inherent in x-buddhism and so on?

Personally I have some reservations vis-à-vis open discussion forums. The history of them in the internet shows, in my view, that they are much more prey to trolls and that they need much more moderation than blog-threads like here.

To me a theme-oriented approach look more promising. It only needs some kind of ignition. Perhaps in the form of a short text to open a thread. This again has to do with the idea mentioned in the text, that we data-mine through the material in the threads here to bring up topics which are interesting. 

One topic could be praxis. An initial text could be short and concise, with some citations from discussions, with links to the respective discussions, with a provocative hypothesis, a contradiction one has detected...

Another topic I mentioned here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/05/09/on-the-faith-of-secular-buddhists/#comment-8653&quot; title=&quot;Original Buddha? Forget it!&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Question about the Original Buddha&lt;/a&gt;.


&lt;strong&gt;Saibhu&lt;/strong&gt;, #5, a community/nonsense-page. Interesting idea. Interesting because it means also that a community of some kind is developing. We should consider this. But there has to be also a playbuddha of the month in each edition – and btw, we haven&#039;t really touched this topic yet: Sex!

My German &lt;a href=&quot;http://derunbuddhist.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/konfickte-des-buddhismus/&quot; title=&quot;How German Buddhists See Sex&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Konfickte des Buddhismus&lt;/a&gt;, which is about the approach to sex by OGB (official german buddhism), has by far the most hits on my blog. Sex sells.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Craig</strong>, #1, message forums.</p>
<p>You mean the form of forum where everybody can open a thread? Or is it more about more theme-oriented threads about, for example, praxis/meditation/non-mediation, dissonances which arise from contradictions inherent in x-buddhism and so on?</p>
<p>Personally I have some reservations vis-à-vis open discussion forums. The history of them in the internet shows, in my view, that they are much more prey to trolls and that they need much more moderation than blog-threads like here.</p>
<p>To me a theme-oriented approach look more promising. It only needs some kind of ignition. Perhaps in the form of a short text to open a thread. This again has to do with the idea mentioned in the text, that we data-mine through the material in the threads here to bring up topics which are interesting. </p>
<p>One topic could be praxis. An initial text could be short and concise, with some citations from discussions, with links to the respective discussions, with a provocative hypothesis, a contradiction one has detected&#8230;</p>
<p>Another topic I mentioned here: <a href="http://speculativenonbuddhism.com/2012/05/09/on-the-faith-of-secular-buddhists/#comment-8653" title="Original Buddha? Forget it!" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The Question about the Original Buddha</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Saibhu</strong>, #5, a community/nonsense-page. Interesting idea. Interesting because it means also that a community of some kind is developing. We should consider this. But there has to be also a playbuddha of the month in each edition – and btw, we haven&#8217;t really touched this topic yet: Sex!</p>
<p>My German <a href="http://derunbuddhist.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/konfickte-des-buddhismus/" title="How German Buddhists See Sex" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Konfickte des Buddhismus</a>, which is about the approach to sex by OGB (official german buddhism), has by far the most hits on my blog. Sex sells.</p>
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